{"id":12805,"date":"2025-07-25T10:46:55","date_gmt":"2025-07-25T10:46:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/freedomforabdullahocalan.org\/ku\/?p=12805"},"modified":"2025-07-25T10:47:15","modified_gmt":"2025-07-25T10:47:15","slug":"cemil-bayik-rojeva-me-ya-sereke-azadiya-reber-apo-ye","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/freedomocalansyria.com\/ku\/?p=12805","title":{"rendered":"Cem\u00eel Bayik: Rojeva me ya sereke azadiya R\u00eaber Apo ye"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Cem\u00eel Bayik got, \u201cRojeva me ya sereke ew e ku R\u00eaber Apo bikare di \u015fert merc\u00ean azad de bixebite. Div\u00ea em v\u00ea bikin rojeva esas. Div\u00ea y\u00ean li Tirkiyey\u00ea v\u00ea bikin rojeva esas. Em azadiya R\u00eaber Apo weke azadiya civaka Kurd dib\u00eenin.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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BI CEM\u00ceL BAYIK RE ROPORTAJ<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Di be\u015fa daw\u00ee ya roportaja Rojnameya Yen\u00ee Ya\u015fam a li gel Hevserok\u00ea Konseya R\u00eaveber a KCK\u2019\u00ea Cem\u00eel Bayik de ev ti\u015ft hatin diyarkirin:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Di m\u00eenak\u00ean c\u00eehan\u00ea de di \u015fer \u00fb p\u00eavajoy\u00ean \u00e7areseriy\u00ea de, \u00e7ek her\u00ee daw\u00ee t\u00ean dan\u00een. L\u00ea li vir rew\u015f berevaj\u00ee qewim\u00ee, \u00e7ima?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

R\u00eaber Apo li c\u00eehan\u00ea ti\u015fta ku her kes dike, esas nagire. Li c\u00eehan\u00ea hem\u00fb tevger\u00ean bi v\u00ee reng\u00ee, berdana \u00e7ekan ji her\u00ee daw\u00ee re dih\u00ealin. R\u00eaber Apo j\u00ee kir kar\u00ea destp\u00eak\u00ea. Her kes \u015fa\u015f dim\u00eene jixwe. Yan\u00ee gelo her kes di dawiy\u00ea de v\u00ea yek\u00ea dike, \u00e7ima R\u00eaber Apo ewil\u00ee ev kir? Ev j\u00ee tarz\u00ea R\u00eaber Apo y\u00ea \u00e7areserkirina pirsgir\u00eakan e. Tarz\u00ea n\u00eazbuna li b\u00fbyeran e. Aliyek\u00ee tema\u015fekirin\u00ea ye, \u015f\u00eawaz\u00ea n\u00eazikatiy\u00ea ye. Li cem R\u00eaber Apo p\u00eevan esas in. Armana w\u00ee \u00fb p\u00eevan\u00ean v\u00ea armanc\u00ea hene. Eger gaveke xizmet\u00ea ji armanc\u00ea re bike hebe, destp\u00eak yan j\u00ee dawiya v\u00ea \u00ead\u00ee ji bo w\u00ee ferq nake. Li cem R\u00eaber Apo n\u00eazikatiya dogmat\u00eek n\u00eene. Li armanca xwe din\u00eare, ti\u015fta ku xizmet\u00ea ji armanca w\u00ee re dike esas digire. Nake xem ka destp\u00eak\u00ea \u00e7\u00eab\u00fb, yan pi\u015ftre \u00e7\u00eab\u00fb. Hetta carna me rexne dike. Dib\u00eaje, \u2018H\u00fbn \u00e7ima wisa bi p\u00eevan tevnagerin ev qas\u00ee li h\u00fbrg\u00fbliyan as\u00ea dim\u00eenin. H\u00fbn min j\u00ee bi v\u00ea mij\u00fbl dikin, min diki\u015fin vir, div\u00ea h\u00fbn wisa nekin\u2019. Qas\u00ee R\u00eaber Apo y\u00ea rastiya dewleta Tirk \u00fb civaka Tirk bizane, n\u00eene. D\u00eesa pir ba\u015f dizane ku pirsgir\u00eaka Kurd pirsgir\u00eakek e. \u00c7\u00eakera civak\u00ee ya Kurd, kesayeta w\u00ea, \u00e7\u00eakera w\u00ea ya zihniyet\u00ea pir ba\u015f dizane. Dizane ku ev pirsgir\u00eak \u00e7ima ev qas b\u00ea\u00e7areser\u00ee maye. K\u00ea ev pirsgir\u00eak \u00e7\u00eakirin, \u00e7ima \u00e7\u00eakirin, \u00e7ima naxwazin v\u00ea pirsgir\u00eak\u00ea \u00e7areser bikin v\u00ea j\u00ee pir ba\u015f dizane. R\u00eaber Apo li vir hewl dide \u00e7areseriyek\u00ea bib\u00eene. Dixwaze Kurd\u00ean b\u00ead\u00eerok, bigih\u00eene d\u00eerokek\u00ee. Dixwaze ji Kurdan re cih \u00e7\u00eabike. Dixwaze siberoja Kurdan ewle bike, ji ber ku xeter\u00ee heye. Her \u00e7end\u00ee ku heb\u00fbna Kurdan \u00fb h\u00eaza wan a nay\u00ea tekbirin hatibe \u00eespatkirin j\u00ee, ev nay\u00ea w\u00ea watey\u00ea ku Kurd ji \u015fer rizgar b\u00fbne. R\u00eaber Apo dixwaze bi temam\u00ee ji zem\u00een\u00ea \u015fer derbixe. Eger v\u00ea yek\u00ea bikare, w\u00ea siberoja Kurdan ewle bike. Lewma ji bo p\u00eakan\u00eena v\u00ea armanc\u00ea j\u00ea re ne pirsgir\u00eake k\u00eejan gav destp\u00eak\u00ea yan daw\u00ee b\u00ean av\u00eatin. Yan\u00ee fikra sosyal\u00eezm\u00ea ya ji aliy\u00ea R\u00eaber Apo ve hat\u00ee p\u00ea\u015fxistin j\u00ee, cuda ye. Em baldar bin. Gelek sosyal\u00eest, f\u00eamkirina R\u00eabert\u00ee ya sosyal\u00eezm\u00ea j\u00ee berevaj\u00ee dib\u00eenin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Er\u00ea n\u00eeqa\u015f hene. Sosyal\u00eestiyek \u00e7awa?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Bila n\u00eeqa\u015f hebin, ba\u015f e. Niha R\u00eaber Apo di nava derdor\u00ean sosyal\u00eest de be\u015fek\u00ea n\u00eaz\u00ee xwe be\u015fek\u00ea j\u00ee d\u00fbr\u00ee xwe nab\u00eene. Xeteke ku hem\u00fb sosyal\u00eestan digire nava xwe, esas digire. Li ser v\u00ea esas\u00ea p\u00ea\u015f dixe. Hin dewlet\u00ea esas digirin, hin j\u00ee li dij\u00ee dewlet\u00ea konfederasyona demokrat\u00eek esas digirin. R\u00eaber Apo dixwaze evane hem\u00fb b\u00ean n\u00eeqa\u015fkirin. Nab\u00eaje ev ay\u00eed\u00ea sosyal\u00eezm\u00ea ye, ev ne ay\u00eed\u00ea sosyal\u00eezm\u00ea ye. N\u00eeqa\u015f ba\u015f in. Div\u00ea werin p\u00ea\u015fxistin. Rexne j\u00ee dibin. P\u00ea\u015fniyar j\u00ee dibin. R\u00eabert\u00ee v\u00ea dixwaze. Dixwaze bi v\u00ee tarz\u00ea xeta sosyal\u00eest, tevger\u00ea p\u00ea\u015f bixe, dixwaze tevgera sosyal\u00eest kom\u00ee serhev bike, hewl dide tevgera sosyal\u00eest bike h\u00eaz. Yan\u00ee tarz\u00ea r\u00eabertiy\u00ea y\u00ea R\u00eaber Apo hinek\u00ee cuda ye. Dib\u00eaje; min hewl da tarz\u00ea R\u00eabert\u00ee bi we bidim f\u00eamkirin, ti\u015fta h\u00fbn f\u00eam nakin ev e.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Bi gotina h\u00fbn min f\u00eam nakin, dixwaze \u00e7i b\u00eaje?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Rexne dike. Sedem\u00ea van rexney\u00ean R\u00eabert\u00ee ew e ku R\u00eaber Apo di k\u00eejan \u015fert \u00fb mercan de t\u00eako\u015f\u00een \u00fb r\u00eaxistinb\u00fbnek \u00e7awa p\u00ea\u015f xistiye. V\u00ea encam\u00ean \u00e7awa afirandin. Dib\u00eaje, div\u00ea evane werin f\u00eamkirin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ew bi xwe j\u00ee behs dike ka R\u00eabert\u00ee t\u00ea \u00e7i watey\u00ea, ji bo were f\u00eamkirin\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Er\u00ea em bala xwe bidin\u00ea, ji dervey R\u00eaber Apo gelek kesan li Kurdistan\u00ea t\u00eako\u015f\u00een me\u015fand, l\u00eedert\u00ee kir. Aq\u00fbbeta gelek ji van, bi komkuj\u00ee \u00fb sirg\u00fbnan temam b\u00fb. Ti ji wan mesela d\u00eerokeke bi nav\u00ea d\u00eeroka Kurdan dernexist hol\u00ea. L\u00ea R\u00eabert\u00ee d\u00eeroka Kurdan derdixe hol\u00ea. Diyar dike ku t\u00eako\u015f\u00eena PKK\u2019\u00ea j\u00ee li ser esas\u00ea v\u00ea d\u00eerok\u00ea p\u00ea\u015f dixe. Eger tu bixwaz\u00ee gelek\u00ee tune bik\u00ee, tu d\u00ea ji d\u00eeroka w\u00ea qut bik\u00ee. R\u00eaber Apo j\u00ee dixwaze heb\u00fbna Kurdan, h\u00eaza wan a t\u00eakne\u00e7\u00fbn\u00ea derx\u00eene hol\u00ea, ji bo v\u00ea yek\u00ea gir\u00eadana xwe ya bi d\u00eeroka Kurdan re dipar\u00eaze. D\u00eesa xwed\u00ee li \u00e7i derdikeve? Xwed\u00ee li gelek\u00ee h\u00eaviya xwe winda kir\u00ee, derdikeve. Xwed\u00ee li qewm \u00fb civakek belavb\u00fby\u00ee \u00fb ket\u00ee derdikeve. D\u00eesa xwed\u00ee li sosyal\u00eezma belavb\u00fby\u00ee derdikeve. Dema ti derfet ney\u00ee, derfet\u00ean mezin diafir\u00eene. Tevger\u00ea t\u00eene rew\u015feke ku ne ten\u00ea di asta netewey\u00ee de, di asta navnetewey\u00ee de h\u00eaviy\u00ea diafir\u00eene. Evane hem\u00fb \u00e7awa afirandin? Div\u00ea em f\u00eam bikin ka bi feraset, felsefe, \u00eedeoloj\u00ee \u00fb tarzek\u00ee \u00e7awa hate afirandin. Ti\u015fta em f\u00eam nakin, ev e. Mesele dib\u00eaje, \u2018H\u00fbn pir dixebitin. Dibe h\u00fbn ji min bi w\u00earektir in, fedakar bin l\u00ea ti\u015ft\u00ean h\u00fbn dikin z\u00eade encam\u00ea nade. Ferqa me li vir e\u2019.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mirov bi rengek\u00ee rast bala xwe bide \u00fb xwe bide armanc\u00ea? Dixwaze \u00e7i b\u00eaje?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Eger tu xwe bid\u00ee armanc\u00ea, ji bo p\u00eakan\u00eena w\u00ea armanc\u00ea tu d\u00ea tim\u00ee l\u00eah\u00earb\u00fbn bik\u00ee. Tu d\u00ea gav\u00ean li gor\u00ee w\u00ea p\u00ea\u015f bix\u00ee. R\u00eabert\u00ee civaka Kurd \u00fb mirov\u00ean Kurd ba\u015f nas dike. Di Kurdan de armancek wisa mezin n\u00eene. Yan\u00ee bi reng\u00ea ku her ti\u015ft\u00ea xwe bixe xizmeta w\u00ea armanc\u00ea \u00fb wisa bij\u00ee, n\u00eene. H\u00een b\u00eahtir rojane ye, yan j\u00ee li ser lingan e. Lewma j\u00ee piran\u00ee t\u00ea xapandin, jixwe fikir\u00eena stratej\u00eek n\u00eene. Ti\u015fta R\u00eabert\u00ee dib\u00eaje ev e, \u2018ez stratej\u00eek difikirim, h\u00fbn stratej\u00eek nafikirin, h\u00fbn takt\u00eek difikirin, rojane difikirin. L\u00ea pirsgir\u00eakek weke pirsgir\u00eaka Kurd, bi fikir\u00eena takt\u00eek\u00ea nay\u00ea \u00e7areserkirin\u2019. Ti\u015fta dixwaze b\u00eaje, ev e.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Kurdan ji ber ku demek dir\u00eaj di bin m\u00eatinger\u00ee \u00fb qirkirin\u00ea de jiyan kirin \u00fb gelek ti\u015ft\u00ean xwe winda kirin, wisa stratej\u00eek nafikirin. Sedem\u00ea w\u00ea ew e, yan ne ji ber ku naxwazin bifikiri, ne ji ber ku xirab in. Dijmin ew aniye gelek l\u00eestokan. Lewma nikare stratej\u00eek bifikire, ba\u015f nab\u00eene ka berjewendiy\u00ean w\u00ea li kuder\u00ea ne. Lewma ez dib\u00eajim; pir z\u00fb radibe, z\u00fb difikire, pir z\u00fb bi kelecan dibe yan j\u00ee kelecana xwe winda dike. Demdir\u00eaj nabe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Abdullah Ocalan 26 salan di \u015fert \u00fb merc \u00fb s\u00eestema tecr\u00eeda \u00cemraliy\u00ea de, ji ber van fikran kar\u00ee xwe li ser lingan bigire?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ji ber ku stratej\u00eek difkire, xwe daye armanc\u00ea \u00fb ji bo qut nebe, li ser lingan ma.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Tim\u00ee dib\u00eaje: \u2018Ez roj\u00ea 40 caran rexneday\u00een didim. Xwe n\u00fb dikim, li ser lingan digirim\u2019. Y\u00ea gir\u00eaday\u00ee stratej\u00ee armanca xwe be, w\u00ea v\u00ea jiyan bike, bide jiy\u00een. Yan di wan \u015fert \u00fb mercan de p\u00eakan n\u00eene. Ya din j\u00ee dib\u00eaje ku: \u2018Bin\u00earin dema ez dixebitim, ez \u00ea \u00e7awa dijmin\u00ea li hember\u00ee xwe lewaz bixim, \u00e7awa ten\u00ea bih\u00ealim ku bikarim encam\u00ea bigirim? L\u00ea h\u00fbn dijmin\u00ea li hember\u00ee xwe xurt dikin, bi v\u00ee reng\u00ee dixebitin. H\u00fbn k\u00eam nakin, b\u00eah\u00eaz nakin hetta h\u00fbn w\u00ee hi\u015fyar dikin, ber\u00ea w\u00ee didin xwe. Bi v\u00ee tarz\u00ee h\u00fbn nikarin encam\u00ea bigirin\u2019. Yan\u00ee dema dib\u00eaje h\u00fbn min f\u00eam nakin, qesta van dike. R\u00eabert\u00ee bi tarz\u00ea xwe ten\u00ea gav bi tevger\u00ea nade av\u00eatin, bi y\u00ea li hember\u00ee xwe j\u00ee dide av\u00eatin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dibe ku gelek kes v\u00ea nizanin; dema r\u00eaxistin\u00ea di nava xwe de darbe xwar R\u00eaber Apo got: \u2018Em \u00ead\u00ee nikarin v\u00ea ji hundir \u00e7areser bikin. L\u00ea eger em derkevin derve, li derve derfet\u00ea biafir\u00eenin em \u00ea bikarin v\u00ea pirsgir\u00eak\u00ea \u00e7areser bikin\u2019. Ji derve ti peywendiya me n\u00eene. Ten\u00ea li Koban\u00ea xizm\u00ea hevalek Pirs\u00fbs\u00ee heb\u00fb. Ji bil\u00ee w\u00ea j\u00ee kes neb\u00fb. R\u00eaber Apo bi w\u00ee heval\u00ee re \u00e7\u00fb cem v\u00ea malbat\u00ea. Malbat ji heval pirs dike, \u2018ev k\u00ee ye? h\u00fbn bi hev re hatine\u2019. Heval dib\u00eaje, xizm\u00ea me ye. Malbat dib\u00eaje, \u2018Xizmek\u00ee me y\u00ea wiha n\u00eene\u2019. R\u00eabert\u00ee di wan \u015fert \u00fb mercan de \u00e7\u00fb dervey wel\u00eat. Ew malbat qezenc kir. Bi w\u00ea malbat\u00ea re gihi\u015ft \u015eam\u00ea. Hem j\u00ee dema ku li Hums\u00ea komkuj\u00ee dihatin kirin. Ew \u015fert \u00fb merc pir xeter in. Ji wir li F\u00eel\u00eest\u00een\u00ea bi cih b\u00fb. Ji F\u00eel\u00eest\u00een\u00ea ji bo perwerdeya \u00e7endek hevalan, al\u00eekar\u00ee xwest. Nexwest kom di nava F\u00eel\u00eest\u00eeniyan de bi\u00e7e. L\u00ea di aliy\u00ea pol\u00eet\u00eek de ne gotin na. Ji bo derbas\u00ee S\u00fbriyey\u00ea bibin div\u00ea nasname bidin, l\u00ea nadin. Eger tu bikar\u00ee wate bide. Difikirin ku em wate nadin\u00ea. N\u00ear\u00eena wan ew e ku Kurd s\u00eexur in. \u00c7ima? Ji ber ku Barzan\u00ee bi Mossad \u00fb C\u00ceA re dixebite. Li gor\u00ee wan Kurd hem\u00fb wisa ne. Ya din j\u00ee namey\u00ean ku partiy\u00ean komun\u00eest, derbar\u00ea me de ji wan re \u015fand\u00een hene. Xwe disp\u00earin sovyetan \u00fb bi w\u00ee reng\u00ee dij\u00een. Derbar\u00ea me de \u00e7i nehatine gotin. Ji ber ku min peywend\u00ee me\u015fandin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00c7i gotine?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ma \u00e7i hat gotin, \u00e7i nehat gotin. Digotin em Emer\u00eekaperest in. Wan xwe spartin Sowyetan \u00fb bi r\u00eaxistin kirin, em j\u00ee li ser fikir\u00ea Emer\u00eekay\u00ea tewanbar kirin. Li gor\u00ee wan me xwe bi v\u00ee reng\u00ee bi r\u00eaxistin kirine \u00fb ji bo wan xetere ne. Wek\u00ee din t\u00eakiliyeke wan a bi dijmin\u00ean Kurdan re j\u00ee heb\u00fb. W\u00ea dem\u00ea ez \u00fb heval Abbas em li Rihay\u00ea b\u00fbn. R\u00eabert\u00ee ji me re got komek bi\u015f\u00eenin. Em matmay\u00ee man. Li gel ku bi derve re t\u00eak\u00eeliy\u00ean me n\u00een b\u00fbn j\u00ee \u00e7awa kar\u00ee t\u00eakiliyek p\u00ea\u015f bixista? Ji ber ku R\u00eabert\u00ee xwestib\u00fb, baweriya me heb\u00fb \u00fb me komek \u015fand. Me got dibe ku ti\u015ft\u00ean em nizanibin hebin. R\u00eabert\u00ee bi r\u00eaya malbata ku p\u00ea re t\u00eakil\u00ee dan\u00eene xwe digih\u00eene F\u00eel\u00eest\u00eeniyan. F\u00eel\u00eest\u00eeniyan, d\u00eetin ku heval hatine, ne\u00e7ar man qeb\u00fbl bikin. T\u00eakiliya me ya bi F\u00eel\u00eest\u00eeniyan re bi v\u00ee reng\u00ee bi p\u00ea\u015f ket. Ne\u00e7ar hi\u015ft. Li S\u00fbriyey\u00ea j\u00ee bi heman reng\u00ee \u00e7\u00eab\u00fb. R\u00eaber Apo d\u00eesan bi v\u00ee reng\u00ee bi S\u00fbriyey\u00ea da qeb\u00fblkirin. Rojek\u00ea Al\u00eekar\u00ea Hafiz Esad bi me re axiv\u00ee. Got, “Apo, tev\u00ee me te ev kamp ava kir. Helal be.” \u00c7ima? Ji ber ku gelek ji wan kurd b\u00fbn, ji bo dewleta S\u00fbriyey\u00ea dixebit\u00een, R\u00eaber Apo vana hem\u00fb xist xizmeta tevger\u00ea. Her ti\u015ft\u00ea ku me kir, me bi wan re kir. Al\u00eekar\u00ea Hafiz got, “Te sab\u00fbn dan\u00ee bin\u00ea ling\u00ean me.” M\u00eenak li S\u00fbriyey\u00ea dibistaneke navend\u00ee ya partiy\u00ea heb\u00fb. Bi dest\u00fbr nehate p\u00ea\u015fxistin. Me ji \u00e7ewlikek\u00ea veguherand Dibistana Partiy\u00ea \u00fb pi\u015ftre kir ku b\u00ea qeb\u00fblkirin. \u015e\u00eawaz\u00ea R\u00eabertiy\u00ea ev e. Ez \u00ea m\u00eenakek din bidim. Tesl\u00eem Tore Serok\u00ea Yek\u00eetiya Ked\u00ea b\u00fb. Ber\u00ee ku bimire nameyek ji me re niv\u00eesand. Dib\u00eaje ku R\u00eabert\u00ee b\u00eay\u00ee ku ti\u015ftek\u00ee ji kes\u00ee re bib\u00eaje, ti\u015ft\u00ean mezin bi ser xistine. \u015e\u00eawaza w\u00ee mirovan aciz nake, l\u00ea encam pir cuda ye. Dib\u00eaje, ‘Ten\u00ea R\u00eaber Apo dikare tevgera sosyal\u00eest a li c\u00eehan\u00ea xurt bike; Eger di v\u00ee war\u00ee de m\u00eesyonek\u00ea bide min, ez \u00ea bikim’. \u015e\u00eawaz ev e. Ji kes\u00ee ti\u015ftek\u00ee naxwaze; \u015e\u00eawaza w\u00ee, mecb\u00fbr dike ku y\u00ea li hember gavan bav\u00eaje.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u015e\u00eawaz encamgir e\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Bel\u00ea. R\u00eaber Apo \u00e7ima li rew\u015fa S\u00fbriyey\u00ea nih\u00ear\u00ee? W\u00ea dem\u00ea \u00cehvan-i Misilman hewl didan bi desteka Tirkiye \u00fb NATO’y\u00ea S\u00fbriyey\u00ea bir\u00fbx\u00eenin. Ji bo ku v\u00ea bi ser bix\u00eenin dixwestin Kurdan bigirin aliy\u00ea xwe. Eger Kurd bi wan re b\u00fbya, w\u00ea rej\u00eem teqez hilwe\u015fiyab\u00fbya. Di w\u00ea dem\u00ea de j\u00ee niyeta hilwe\u015fandina rej\u00eem\u00ea heb\u00fb. R\u00eaber Apo ev yek d\u00eet. \u00c7i kir? H\u00eaza S\u00fbriyey\u00ea li hember Tirkiyey\u00ea n\u00eene. R\u00eaber Apo ber\u00ea Kurdan da Bakur. Bi hezaran \u015fervan derxist, bi \u015f\u00eawazek wiha ku S\u00fbriye nekar\u00ee v\u00ea bike, li hember Tirkiyey\u00ea sekin\u00ee. S\u00fbriyey\u00ea bi Tirkiyey\u00ea re pirsgir\u00eak\u00ean xwe heb\u00fbn. Tirkiye endamek\u00ee NATO’y\u00ea ye \u00fb Sovyetan j\u00ee dixwestin bi r\u00eaya \u00cehvan-i Misilman w\u00ee bir\u00fbx\u00eenin. R\u00eabert\u00ee nehi\u015ft ku Kurd bi \u00cehvan-i Misilman re bibin yek \u00fb bi Kurdan re p\u00ea\u015f\u00ee li v\u00ea girt. R\u00eabert\u00ee ev rew\u015f ba\u015f nirxand. Ew gav av\u00eatin. Ji bo v\u00ea j\u00ee S\u00fbriy\u00ea nekar\u00ee ti\u015ftek\u00ee bib\u00eaje. Di dawiy\u00ea de ne\u00e7ar man ku qeb\u00fbl bikin. Naxwe nedihi\u015ftin ku R\u00eabert\u00ee ewqas\u00ee bixebite.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Di \u015fert \u00fb merc\u00ean \u00eero de dema em behsa F\u00eel\u00eest\u00een \u00fb Kurdan dikin, em behsa du nasnamey\u00ean b\u00ea dewlet dikin. Li cih\u00ea ku em \u00eero l\u00ea din\u00earin, em \u015fahidiy\u00ea ji 3’yem\u00een \u015eer\u00ea C\u00eehan\u00ea y\u00ea sedsala 21’an re dikin ku Kurd li navenda b\u00eanasnameb\u00fbn\u00ea, li statuy\u00ea digerin \u00fb di nava \u015fer\u00ean desthilatdariy\u00ea de weke aktor\u00ean her\u00ee mezin \u00fb \u00e7areseriy\u00ea li ber xwe didin. Ev j\u00ee perspekt\u00eefeke n\u00fb ya parad\u00eegmay\u00ea t\u00eene her\u00eam\u00ea \u00fb Rojhilata Nav\u00een. Gelo Abdullah Ocalan bi hem\u00fb ti\u015ft\u00ean ku we rave kirine re, ev yek bi temam\u00ee aniye nuqteyeke cuda?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Bel\u00ea. Di rew\u015fa hey\u00ee de R\u00eaber Apo ne ten\u00ea p\u00ea\u015fengiy\u00ea ji gel\u00ea Kurd re dike; her wiha p\u00ea\u015fengiy\u00ea ji gel\u00ean Rojhilata Nav\u00een \u00fb h\u00eaz\u00ean ji bo sosyal\u00eezm, azad\u00ee \u00fb demokrasiy\u00ea li c\u00eehan\u00ea t\u00eadiko\u015fin dike. Poz\u00eesyona R\u00eabert\u00ee ya niha di v\u00ea ast\u00ea de ye. Ji ber v\u00ea yek\u00ea div\u00ea tevger j\u00ee li gor\u00ee v\u00ea poz\u00eesyon\u00ea tevbigere. Bi gotineke din, gav\u00ean t\u00ean av\u00eatin div\u00ea xizmet\u00ea ji v\u00ea armanc\u00ea re bikin. Di rastiy\u00ea de ji xwe ji bo v\u00ea parad\u00eegma p\u00ea\u015f xistiye. Niha j\u00ee hewl dide s\u00eestema w\u00ea parad\u00eegmay\u00ea bi p\u00ea\u015f bixe. Ji ber v\u00ea yek\u00ea wek m\u00eenak me Akademiya Zanist\u00ean Civak\u00ee \u00fb Akademiya Modern\u00eeteya Demokrat\u00eek p\u00ea\u015f xist. Em hewl didin xebat\u00ean sosyal\u00eest \u00ean ku R\u00eaber Apo guncaw did\u00eetin bime\u015f\u00eenin. Ji bo ku derdor\u00ean \u00e7epgir li Akademiya Zanist\u00ean Civak\u00ee l\u00eah\u00fbrbin \u00fb n\u00eeqa\u015f bikin em dixebitin. Ji bo ku ev xebat bigih\u00eaje astek\u00ea em kadroy\u00ean w\u00ea p\u00ea\u015f dixin. Li aliy\u00ea din j\u00ee hawirdor\u00ean ku pi\u015ftgir\u00ee didin me \u00fb dixwazin bi me re bixebitin l\u00ea tevl\u00ee nav enternasyonala sosyal\u00eest nabin j\u00ee hene. Me \u015f\u00eawazek\u00ee xebat\u00ea y\u00ea ku li ser p\u00ea\u015fvebirin \u00fb xurtkirina peywendiyan bi wan re disekine, esas girt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

PKK\u2019\u00ea fesix b\u00fb, diguhere \u00fb vediguhere… \u00c7ek t\u00ean dan\u00een, niha w\u00ea \u00e7i bibe? Y\u00ean li \u00e7iy\u00ea w\u00ea bi \u00e7i reng\u00ee tevl\u00ee siyaseta demokrat\u00eek bibin? Gelo w\u00ea Cem\u00eel Bayik \u00e7i bike? D\u00fbran Kalkan \u00fb M\u00fbstafa Karas\u00fb w\u00ea \u00e7i bikin?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Min di ser\u00ee da j\u00ee got. Ev tevger bi \u015f\u00eawazek\u00ee felsef\u00ee, \u00eedeoloj\u00ee, jiyan \u00fb t\u00eako\u015f\u00een\u00ea me\u015fiya. Ber\u00ea j\u00ee bi v\u00ee reng\u00ee b\u00fb \u00fb di dawiya daw\u00ee de j\u00ee w\u00ea bi v\u00ee reng\u00ee be. Part\u00ee heb\u00fb an na, \u015fer\u00ea \u00e7ekdar\u00ee heb\u00fb yan na, ev yek ji bo me ti\u015ftek \u00eefade nake. Armanceke me heye \u00fb em li ser bingeha w\u00ea armanc\u00ea dime\u015fin. Me r\u00ea \u00fb r\u00eabaz ji bo v\u00ea p\u00ea\u015f xist. Ji bo v\u00ea j\u00ee dem bi dem me agirbest ragihand, li hev kirin \u00fb dema ku ev encam negirtin me ji n\u00fb ve dest bi t\u00eako\u015f\u00eena \u00e7ekdar\u00ee kir. Niha me stratejiyek daniye p\u00ea\u015fiya xwe \u00fb em hewl didin bingeh\u00ean w\u00ea bi cih b\u00eenin. Me dev ji t\u00eako\u015f\u00een\u00ea berneda. Eger Tirkiye qan\u00fbn\u00ean xwe biguher\u00eene, em \u00ea j\u00ee bi\u00e7in w\u00ea der\u00ea. Eger v\u00ea neke, em \u00ea ne\u00e7in. Em \u00ea t\u00eako\u015f\u00eena xwe bidom\u00eenin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

H\u00fbn li dervey\u00ee \u00e7iy\u00ea amade ne ku di nava xebat\u00ean siyaseta demokrat\u00eek de cih bigirin?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Helbet em li her der\u00ea t\u00eako\u015f\u00een dime\u015f\u00eenin. Em ne gir\u00eaday\u00ee zem\u00eenek\u00ea ne. Armanca me ya azadiy\u00ea \u00e7i bixwaze, em li gor\u00ee w\u00ea tevdigerin. Em li ku der\u00ea bixebitin div\u00ea em ber bi v\u00ea armanc\u00ea ve bi\u00e7in. Ji bo me ti pirsgir\u00eak n\u00eene.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

H\u00fbn niha dib\u00eajin ku we di t\u00eako\u015f\u00eena xwe de \u00e7ek weke am\u00fbrek\u00ea bikar aniye?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

R\u00eaber Apo \u00e7i got? Div\u00ea am\u00fbr\u00ean ku xizmeta armanc\u00ea bike hebe, div\u00ea am\u00fbr \u00fb armanc hevdu temam bikin. Eger am\u00fbr xizmet\u00ea ji armanc\u00ea re nekin, div\u00ea ney\u00ean bikaran\u00een. \u00c7ek\u00ea demek\u00ea xizmet ji bo armancek\u00ea kir. \u00cad\u00ee xizmeta w\u00ea armanc\u00ea nake. Ji ber v\u00ea yek\u00ea div\u00ea ji dewr\u00ea b\u00ea derxistin. Ya ku div\u00ea bi t\u00eako\u015f\u00eena \u00e7ekdar\u00ee were kirin, hatiye kirin. Ji niha \u00fb p\u00ea ve div\u00ea qonax bi qonax b\u00ea rakirin. Div\u00ea r\u00eay\u00ean din j\u00ee b\u00ean \u00e7alakkirin.Ji bo v\u00ea rola Tirkiyey\u00ea heye. P\u00eaw\u00eeste di qan\u00fbnan de guhertinan bike. Da ku civakeke demokrat\u00eek were bir\u00eaxistinkirin \u00fb bikaribe bi p\u00ea\u015f bikeve. Eger di v\u00ee al\u00ee de gavan biav\u00eaje, w\u00ea ti pirsgir\u00eak r\u00fb nede; eger v\u00ea neke, ji bo ku gavan biav\u00eaje em \u00ea t\u00eabiko\u015fin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Aliyek j\u00ee ew e.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Bel\u00ea. Yan\u00ee em dest ji t\u00eako\u015f\u00een\u00ea bernadin. Em \u00ea ti car\u00ee dest j\u00ea bernedin. Em mirov\u00ean t\u00eako\u015f\u00een\u00ea ne. Div\u00ea gel\u00ea me bi v\u00ea zanibe. Me t\u00eako\u015f\u00eenek bi r\u00ea ve bir \u00fb nirx\u00ean mezin afirand. Em hewl didin li ser v\u00ea yek\u00ea nirx\u00ean mezintir biafir\u00eenin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

H\u00fbn dib\u00eajin ku h\u00ea j\u00ee bi her nirx\u00ee, bi her am\u00fbr\u00ea h\u00fbn heb\u00fbna xwe dipar\u00eazin?  Zehmetiy\u00ean \u00e7awa li p\u00ea\u015fiya we ye gelo?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Her kes bi v\u00ea dizane. Dibe ku hinek bib\u00eajin wan dev ji t\u00eako\u015f\u00een\u00ea berda \u00fb tesl\u00eem b\u00fbn. Ev yek ji bo me ti\u015ftek \u00eefade nake. Div\u00ea gel\u00ea me fikar nej\u00een. Zehmet\u00ee her tim heb\u00fbn \u00fb her serdem li gor\u00ee xwe zehmetiy\u00ean w\u00ea hene. Ya rast, zehmetiy\u00ean v\u00ea serdem\u00ea h\u00een mezintir in. L\u00ea me dest bi r\u00eaw\u00eetiyek\u00ea kir da ku em wan zehmetiyan \u00e7areser bikin; Ev p\u00ee\u015fey\u00ea me ye. Em \u00ea gel\u00ea xwe b\u00ear\u00eaxistin neh\u00ealin, ti\u015ftek wisa ne p\u00eakan e. Em dizanin ku li Kurdistan\u00ea pelek j\u00ee b\u00ea r\u00eaxistin naheje.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We got b\u00ear\u00eaxistinb\u00fbn pelek j\u00ee nahej\u00eene, mebesta we r\u00eaxistin \u00fb xurtb\u00fbna gel\u00ea Kurd e?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ya sereke b\u00eaguman r\u00eaxistinkirina civak\u00ea \u00fb xweparastina civak\u00ea bi xwe ye. R\u00eaxistinb\u00fbna komunal di esas\u00ea xwe de \u015f\u00eawazek\u00ee parastina cewher\u00ee ye.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Li gor\u00ee we civak\u00ea r\u00eaxistina komunal bi temam\u00ee f\u00eam kiriye?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Civak tam f\u00eam nekiriye. Desthilatdariya hey\u00ee ya li Tirkiyey\u00ea her tim ant\u00ee komun\u00eezm \u00fb neteweperestiy\u00ea p\u00ea\u015f xistiye. Di nava civak\u00ea de m\u00fbxalefetek li dij\u00ee r\u00eaxistinb\u00fby\u00eena \u00e7ep heye. Di fikir de avab\u00fbneke z\u00eehn\u00ee \u00e7\u00eab\u00fbye, l\u00ea civaka Kurd xwed\u00ee hin avantajan e. Aliyeke w\u00ea ku ji d\u00eerok\u00ea ve t\u00ea \u00fb xizmeta civak\u00ee dike heye; naxwe w\u00ea Kurd ji m\u00eaj ve ji hol\u00ea rabib\u00fbna.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Berxwedana biavantaj?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gelek\u00ee ku hem li ber xwe daye hem j\u00ee civakb\u00fbn p\u00ea\u015f xistiye, gelek\u00ee ku xizmet\u00ea j\u00ea re dike. Ji bo v\u00ea j\u00ee t\u00eagihi\u015ftina civak\u00ee ya di nav Kurdan de xurt e. Dibe ku di dem\u00ean daw\u00ee de hinek\u00ee qels b\u00fbye, l\u00ea d\u00eesa j\u00ee heye. Baweriya bi ti\u015ft\u00ean ku R\u00eabert\u00ee dike heye. Dib\u00eajin, ‘Em ji R\u00eabertiya xwe bawer in, em \u00ea her ti\u015ft\u00ea R\u00eabertiya me bib\u00eaje bikin’, l\u00ea li hember\u00ee dewlet\u00ea b\u00eabawer\u00ee heye. Baweriya wan bi wan nay\u00ea. Gelo dewlet d\u00ea gavek\u00ea bav\u00eaje? Eger gavek\u00ea biav\u00eaje, w\u00ea \u00e7awa bike? Gelo w\u00ea m\u00eena ku R\u00eabert\u00ee dib\u00eaje, be, yan na? Ya ku ew t\u00ea re derbas dibin ev e.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

H\u00fbn dib\u00eajin ku div\u00ea mirov dewlet\u00ea ba\u015f bizanibe\u2026Roja \u00eeroy\u00een Abdullah Ocalan j\u00ee gotib\u00fb ku aqilek\u00ee dewlet\u00ea y\u00ea ku ber\u00ea xwe bide \u00e7areseriy\u00ea hebe, em \u00ea pirsgir\u00eak\u00ea \u00e7areser bikin. \u00cero di v\u00ea p\u00eavajoya ku Devlet Bah\u00e7el\u00ee serk\u00ea\u015fiya w\u00ea dike de dinya xirab neb\u00fb yan j\u00ee qiyamet raneb\u00fb. Ziman tam veneguher\u00ee ziman\u00ea a\u015fitiy\u00ea l\u00ea bel\u00ea gelo li gor\u00ee ber\u00ea em di p\u00eavajoyeke \u00e7awa de ne?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Di esas\u00ea xwe de kes\u00ea ku li Tirkiyey\u00ea neteweperest\u00ee p\u00ea\u015f xistiye, Devlet Bah\u00e7el\u00ee ye. Dema mijar dibe ew ji bo wan qiyamet ranabe. Bah\u00e7el\u00ee j\u00ee ev yek ba\u015f d\u00eetiye. Dewleta Tirk \u00fb gel\u00ea Tirk di tal\u00fbkey\u00ea de ne. Rast e ji ber w\u00ea tim qala may\u00eendeb\u00fbn\u00ea dikir. W\u00ee destp\u00eak\u00ea eew yek d\u00eet, ji ber w\u00ea gir\u00eeng e. A niha rizgarb\u00fbna dewleta Tirk \u00fb gel\u00ea Tirk gir\u00eaday\u00ee Kurdan e, r\u00eayeke din tune ye. Ji ber w\u00ea ev p\u00eangav av\u00eat, sedema w\u00ea ev e. Gelo bi rast\u00ee j\u00ee dixwazin pirsgir\u00eak\u00ea Kurd \u00e7areser bibe yan na, ew mijareke cuda ye.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Li vir di rastiy\u00ea de Mustafa Kemal esas digire. Mustafa Kemal j\u00ee dema ku dewleta Tirk diket tal\u00fbkey\u00ea Sovyet \u00fb gel\u00ea Kurd esas girtin.  Xwe spart w\u00ea yek\u00ea, t\u00eako\u015fiya \u00fb \u00e7\u00fb Lozan\u00ea. Li Lozan\u00ea bazara \u00e7i \u00e7\u00eab\u00fb? Dev ji Sovyetan berde, dev ji Kurdan berde \u00fb em \u00ea te nas bikin. Dema ku Lozan j\u00ee hate qeb\u00fblkirin, dest\u00ea xwe ji Sovyet \u00fb Kurdan ki\u015fand \u00fb  pi\u015ftre j\u00ee b\u00fb endam\u00ea NATO\u2019y\u00ea. Li hember\u00ee Kurdan j\u00ee ti\u015fta ku dihat zan\u00een kirin. Bah\u00e7el\u00ee v\u00ea yek\u00ea dib\u00eene, dem\u00ean cuda ne l\u00ea bel\u00ea heman rew\u015f in. Ji ber w\u00ea ew p\u00eangav av\u00eat. T\u00eako\u015f\u00eena me ew a\u00een rew\u015feke wisa ku bi pirsgir\u00eakan re r\u00fb bi r\u00fb man. Dest bi pirsgir\u00eaka may\u00eendeb\u00fbn\u00ea kirin. Qaso w\u00ea R\u00eabert\u00ee bidana jib\u00eerkirin, w\u00ea PKK ji hol\u00ea rakiriban \u00fb ji bo v\u00ea yek\u00ea j\u00ee ser\u00eeli hem\u00fb ti\u015ftan dan \u00fb bi qas\u00ee ev yek dikirin j\u00ee ew bi xwe noq b\u00fbn. Er\u00ea dibe ku me j\u00ee zirar d\u00eet l\u00ea bel\u00ea ew bi pirsgir\u00eak\u00ean mezin re r\u00fb bi r\u00fb man. Her wiha li gel ge\u015fedan\u00ean li Rojhilata Nav\u00een j\u00ee \u00ead\u00ee netewdewlet hilwe\u015fiya. K\u00ee netewdewlet p\u00ea\u015f xist? Tirkiye \u00fb \u00ceran\u00ea. Niha dor t\u00ea wan bi xwe, ger bi Kurdan re j\u00ee li hev nekin w\u00ea ji bo wan bibe tal\u00fbkeyeke mezin. Kurd li Rojhilata Nav\u00een b\u00fbn h\u00eazeke wisa ku \u00e7aren\u00fbsa her kes\u00ee diyar bikin. Tirkiye j\u00ee hewcey\u00ee Kurdan b\u00fb, \u00cesra\u00eel \u00fb \u00ceran j\u00ee hewcey\u00ee Kurdan b\u00fbn. R\u00eabert\u00ee ev yek d\u00eet \u00fb got ku \u2018em dixwazin li gel we pirsgir\u00eakan \u00e7areser bikin,ne li gel \u00ceran \u00fb \u00cesra\u00eel\u00ea.\u2019 Ev yek bi k\u00ear\u00ee wan t\u00ea, ti\u015fta ku wan xilas bike ev e. ji bo v\u00eap\u00eangav av\u00eat, R\u00eabert\u00ee ji bo ku ew p\u00eangav\u00ea biav\u00eajin hesasiyet\u00ean wan ji hol\u00ea rakirin. Her wiha bes hesasiyet\u00ean wan ber \u00e7avan negirt \u00fb ev yek nekir. Di esas\u00ea xwe de ji bo ku PKK derbeyan nexwe \u00fb PKK t\u00eak ne\u00e7e ev yek kirin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ji bo parastina heb\u00fbna PKK\u2019\u00ea \u00fb nirx\u00ean ku w\u00ea afirandine \u00fb yek j\u00ee ji bo ku wan bigih\u00eeje armanca wan p\u00eangav av\u00eat. Gotina R\u00eabert\u00ee ya \u2018bila PKK xwe fesix bike\u2019 ji ber van yekan e ne ji ber ti\u015ftek\u00ee din e.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Niha li dora masey\u00ea rew\u015feke \u00e7awa heye? R\u00eave\u00e7\u00fbn bi k\u00ear\u00ee hem\u00fb aliyan t\u00ea?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Me ev qas salan li ber xwe da, me bed\u00eal dan \u00fb \u00ea\u015f ki\u015fand. Me ev hem\u00fb ji bo armancek\u00ea kirin, ma e m\u00ea dev ji van berdin, ma ev yek p\u00eakan e?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

R\u00eabert\u00ee got: \u2018Israra di sosyal\u00eezm\u00ea de israra di mirovahiy\u00ea de ye.\u2019 Mirovah\u00ee di tal\u00fbkey\u00ea de ye. Bes ne Kurd, rizgarkirina mirovan j\u00ee. Ji ber w\u00ea asta r\u00eabertiy\u00ea ya bi r\u00ea ve dibe, wisa r\u00eabertiyeke bes ne di \u00e7ar\u00e7oveya Tirkiye, Kurdistan \u00fb Rojhilata Nav\u00een de, r\u00eabertiyeke di asta navnetewey\u00ee de.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gelo pirsgir\u00eaka Kurd ne pirsgir\u00eakeke navnetewey\u00ee ye?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Jixwe kes\u00ea ku dixwaze pirsgir\u00eaka Kurdan \u00e7areser bike, ne\u00e7ar e ku wisa be. Sedema gotina R\u00eabert\u00ee j\u00ee ew e ku gotib\u00fb min f\u00eam bikin.  Pirsgir\u00eaka Kurd na\u015fibe pirsgir\u00eakeke din. Destdana pirsgir\u00eaka Kurdan t\u00ea w\u00ea watey\u00ea ku mirov hem\u00fb c\u00eehan\u00ea ji xwe re bike req\u00eeb. Pirsgir\u00eakeke wisa ye ku ji aliy\u00ea c\u00eehan\u00ea ve hatiye afirandin, ne pirsgir\u00eakeke wisa ye ku ji aliy\u00ea Tirkiye \u00fb \u00ceran\u00ea ve hatiye derxistin. Pirsgir\u00eakek e ku ji aliy\u00ea pergal\u00ea ve hatiye derxistin. A niha j\u00eedema mirov dest diav\u00eaje v\u00ea pirsgir\u00eak\u00ea hem\u00fb cihan\u00ea li hember\u00ee xwe digire. T\u00ea w\u00ea watey\u00ea ku mirov darvekirin\u00ea bide ber \u00e7av\u00ean xwe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Abdullah Ocalan dib\u00eaje ku siyaset huner e. Li vir ti\u015fta ku her kes matmay\u00ee kir \u00e7i b\u00fb?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hem j\u00ee hunereke gelek\u00ee hesas e. Her kes\u00ee ev yek ji R\u00eabert\u00ee, PKK\u2019\u00ea, Kurdan \u00fb jin\u00ean Kurd h\u00eav\u00ee nedikir. Ti\u015fta ku her kes\u00ee f\u00eam nedikir ev b\u00fb. \u00c7i \u00e7\u00eab\u00fb ku r\u00eabertiyeke wisa, gelek\u00eewisa, tevgereke wisa \u00fb jin\u00ean Kurd derketin hol\u00ea? Li cihek\u00ee weke Rojhilata Nav\u00een ku pergal\u00ea per\u00e7e per\u00e7e kiriye \u00fb gel ji rojev\u00ea d\u00fbr xistiye, \u00e7awa ti\u015fteke bi v\u00ee reng\u00ee derket hol\u00ea? Me weke PKK\u2019\u00ea \u00eenkarkirina Kurdan hilwe\u015fand, Kurd da qeb\u00fblkirin, me t\u00eakne\u00e7\u00fbyina Kurdan j\u00ee bi \u015fer\u00ea xwe her kes\u00ee da qeb\u00fblkirin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Tirkiyey\u00ea xwest v\u00ee \u015fer\u00ee qezenc bike, her ti\u015ft\u00ea xwe \u00fb h\u00eaza xwe bi kar an\u00een l\u00ea bel\u00ea bi ser neket.  Dema ku bi ser neket j\u00ee pirsgir\u00eak girantir b\u00fbn \u00fb \u00eeflas kir. PKK bi ser ket, t\u00eakne\u00e7\u00fby\u00eena xwe \u00eespat kir, \u00ead\u00ee ya ji niha \u00fb \u015f\u00fbnde \u00e7i ye, \u00e7areseriya pirsgir\u00eak\u00ea ye. Ji bo \u00e7areseriy\u00ea PKK\u2019\u00ea weke astengiy\u00ea n\u00ee\u015fan didin. Gelo ma PKK asteng\u00ee ye? Ba\u015f e asteng\u00ee tune ye \u00fb pirsgir\u00eak\u00ea \u00e7arser bikin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

H\u00fbn dib\u00eajin ku me asteng\u00ee rakirin da ku pirsgir\u00eak \u00e7areser bine ne wisa?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Er\u00ea me asteng\u00ee rakirin. Tu asteng\u00ee tune ne. Me ev yek hem n\u00ee\u015fan\u00ee Tirkiyey\u00ea da hem j\u00ee n\u00ee\u015fan\u00ee c\u00eehan\u00ea da. Ji ber w\u00ea hem\u00fb kes dib\u00eaje ku \u00ead\u00ee div\u00ea dewlet p\u00eangavan biav\u00eaje. Terz\u00ea siyaseta ku t\u00ea me\u015fandin ev e. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Abdullah Ocalan ji bo Bes\u00ea Hozat dib\u00eaje ku berd\u00eala du sed kes\u00ee ye?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00c7ima w\u00ea yek\u00ea dib\u00eaje? Ji ber hevserok e. Hevserokat\u00ee t\u00ea wateya n\u00fbnertiya hem\u00fb tevger\u00ea. Hem hevseroka jin e, hem Kurd e \u00fb hem j\u00eeji D\u00earsim\u00ea ye. Yan\u00ee hem\u00fb ti\u015ft heye. Dema p\u00eangava v\u00ea yek\u00ea diav\u00eaje, nexwe hem\u00fbyan di nava xwe de dihew\u00eene. Li gor\u00ee R\u00eaber Apo \u00e7ekdan\u00eena PKK\u2019\u00ea qediyaye. Hem\u00fb kesan h\u00eaza R\u00eaber Apo, dilsoziya v\u00ea tevger\u00ea ya ji bo R\u00eaber Apo \u00fb biryardariya tevger\u00ea d\u00eet. Kes\u00ean li dij\u00ee PKK\u2019\u00ea j\u00ee ev yek d\u00eetin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Bi bangek\u00ea di 11\u2019\u00ea T\u00eermeh\u00ea de meras\u00eema \u00e7ekdan\u00een\u00ea hate lidarxistin \u00fb v\u00ea yek\u00ea \u015fa\u015fwaz kir?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ew ne li benda w\u00ea yek\u00ea b\u00fbn. Wan dogot ku ger R\u00eabert\u00ee v\u00eap\u00eangav\u00ea biav\u00eaje ne PKK ne j\u00eegel qeb\u00fbl dike, dibe ku be\u015fek qeb\u00fbl bike l\u00ea bel\u00ea teqez w\u00ea be\u015feke ku qeb\u00fbl neke, hebe. Gotin ku w\u00ea jihevcudab\u00fbn \u00fb gelek pirsgir\u00eak r\u00fb bidin \u00fb em \u00ea j\u00ee w\u00ea dem\u00ea bikaribin tasfeyekirin\u00ea p\u00eak b\u00eenin. L\u00ea bel\u00ea d\u00eetin ku berovaj\u00ee w\u00ea gel, r\u00eaxistin \u00fb R\u00eabert\u00ee bi hev re ne. V\u00ea yek\u00ea kir ku bendewariy\u00ean wan berovaj\u00ee bibin. Me dest\u00ea R\u00eabert\u00ee, dest\u00ea gel \u00fb r\u00eaxistin\u00ea xurt kir.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gelo gotina w\u00ee ya \u2018Ez ji gel\u00ea xwe \u00fb r\u00eaxistina xwe bawer im. Ez \u00e7i bib\u00eajim w\u00ea pi\u015ftgiriy\u00ea bidin\u00ea\u2019 \u00fb xwen\u00ee\u015fandan \u00fb lihevkirina v\u00ea yek\u00ea ya ew qas\u00ee z\u00eade  \u015fa\u015fwaz kir?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

V\u00ea yek\u00ea r\u00ea li ber \u00e7i vekir, r\u00ea li ber w\u00ea yek\u00ea vekir ku bendewariy\u00ean wan berovaj\u00ee bibin. R\u00eabert\u00ee dest\u00ea xwe \u00fb dest\u00ea gel \u00fb r\u00eaxistin\u00ea xurt kir. A niha ew di nava l\u00eager\u00een\u00ea de ne ku w\u00ea van yekan \u00e7awa lawaz bikin. Me bi v\u00ea p\u00eangava xwe berovaj\u00ee w\u00ea R\u00eabert\u00ee xurtkir kir. Me dest \u00fb poz\u00eesyona gel\u00ea Kurd \u00fb r\u00eaxistin\u00ea xurttir kir. Me wisa kir ku Tirkiye ne\u00e7ar ma \u00fb w\u00ea hin p\u00eangava biav\u00eaje.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gelo h\u00fbn dib\u00eajin ne\u00e7ar ma ku wan p\u00eangavan biav\u00eaje?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Er\u00ea, helbet em wan p\u00eangavan didin av\u00eatin. R\u00eaber Apo t\u00eakildar\u00ee tevger\u00ea guher\u00een\u00ea p\u00eak na\u00eene. Li Tirkiyey\u00ea j\u00ee di dewlet\u00ea de j\u00ee guher\u00eenan p\u00eak t\u00eene. Ev j\u00ee terz\u00ea R\u00eaber Apo ye.  Guher\u00een\u00ea dij\u00ee \u00fb di kes\u00ea li hember\u00ee xwe j\u00ee diguher\u00eene \u00fb wisa dij\u00ee. Dibe ku ev bi awayek\u00ee h\u00easan p\u00eak nay\u00ean  l\u00ea bel\u00ea dibin \u00fb w\u00ea bibin j\u00ee. Terz\u00ea ku em di\u015fop\u00eenin ew terz e ku ku bi Tirkiyey\u00ea p\u00eangavan bide av\u00eatin. Yan w\u00ea p\u00eangavan biav\u00eaje yan j\u00ee w\u00ea bi awayek\u00eedin bi daw\u00ee bibe, r\u00eayeke din tune ye. \u015eert \u00fb merc ji bo me ba\u015f in, \u00een\u00eesiyat\u00eef di dest\u00ea me de ye \u00fb ew dixwazin \u00een\u00eesiyat\u00eef\u00ea bigirin dest\u00ea xwe  \u00fb dixwazin civak\u00ea di qada navnetewey\u00eede bixap\u00eene.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gelo dixwazin di nava v\u00ea \u00een\u00eesiyat\u00eef\u00ea de ferasetek\u00ea biafir\u00eenin?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hewl didin w\u00ea biafir\u00eenin l\u00ea bel\u00ea w\u00ea bikarin \u00e7i qas\u00ee biafir\u00eenin, zehmet e. Hin ti\u015ft\u00ean din j\u00ee dikin l\u00ea bel\u00ea  R\u00eabert\u00ee evyek got: \u2018Ew \u00e7i dikin bila bikin j\u00ee tu kes b\u00eay\u00ee ku min neb\u00eene ti\u015ftek\u00ee nake. Ne Barzan\u00ee, ne Emer\u00eeka ne j\u00ee \u015eara.\u2019 Ji ber w\u00ea yek\u00ea hewce ye poz\u00eesyon \u00fb rew\u015fa tevger \u00fb gel\u00eaKurd lawaz ney\u00ea d\u00eetin \u00fb gelek\u00ee ba\u015f werin nirxandin. Ger em xetay\u00ea nekin w\u00ea teqez encameke mezin were bidestxistin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gelo qesta we ji xetakirin\u00ea \u00e7i ye?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Div\u00ea p\u00eangav\u00ean R\u00eabert\u00ee ba\u015f werin f\u00eamkirin, di wext\u00ea xwe de werin temamkirin, d\u00eesa p\u00ea\u015fk\u00ea\u015fkirina am\u00fbr\u00ean ku h\u00eaz\u00ean hember bi kar b\u00eenin, div\u00ea em li hember\u00ee van yekan baldar bin. Ger em li hember\u00ee van yekan baldar bin, w\u00ea hewl\u00ean wan \u00ean takt\u00eek\u00ee negih\u00eejin encamek\u00ea. Ew nexwazin j\u00ee w\u00ea ne\u00e7ar bim\u00eenin ku p\u00eangavan biav\u00eajin. Div\u00ea em v\u00ea yek\u00ea ba\u015f f\u00eam bikin. P\u00ea\u015faniya me ya sereke \u015fert \u00fb merc\u00ean R\u00eaber Apo y\u00ean xebit\u00eena bi away\u00ea azad e. Div\u00ea em v\u00ea yek\u00ea bikin rojeva xwe ya sereke. Div\u00ea y\u00ean li Tirkiyey\u00ea j\u00ee v\u00ea yek\u00ea bikin rojeva xwe ya sereke. R\u00eabert\u00ee dib\u00eaje ya: bi azadiya \u015fexsan civak, bi azadiya civak\u00ea j\u00ee \u015fexs azad dibin. Em azadiya R\u00eaber Apo weke azadiya civaka Kurd dib\u00eenin, ev yek zelal e. Ger v\u00ea yek\u00eaji R\u00eaber Apo re nas bikin w\u00ea ya pi\u015ftre gelek\u00ee h\u00easan be. Ne p\u00eangav\u00e7n kiryar\u00ee, div\u00ea p\u00eangav\u00ean yasay\u00ee werin av\u00eatin. Ger kiryar\u00ee bin dibe ku her ti\u015ft\u00ee \u00eenkar bikin. Dibe ku R\u00eabert\u00ee serbest berdin \u00fb dubare bigirin. Sererastkirin\u00ean yasay\u00ee \u015fert in.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Derd\u00ea Cem\u00eel Bayik \u00e7i ye?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ma w\u00ea \u00e7i derd\u00ea min hebe, derd\u00ea min bicihan\u00eena soz\u00ean me y\u00ean ji gel \u00fb \u015feh\u00eed\u00ean me re ye.  Min fikreke din a cuda tune ye. Me jiyaneke din j\u00ee tune ye, li Enqerey\u00ea  cuda b\u00fb, em hatin Kurdistan\u00ea cuda b\u00fb, em \u00e7\u00fbn cih\u00ean din cuda b\u00fb \u00fb w\u00ea ev yek \u00e7\u00eabibin. Bila li gor\u00ee armanc\u00ea am\u00fbran p\u00ea\u015f bixe, ev qas.  Di nava jiyana me de jiyaneke din tune ye.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Cem\u00eel Bayik got, \u201cRojeva me ya sereke ew e ku R\u00eaber Apo bikare di \u015fert merc\u00ean azad de bixebite. Div\u00ea em v\u00ea bikin rojeva esas. Div\u00ea y\u00ean li Tirkiyey\u00ea v\u00ea bikin rojeva esas. Em azadiya R\u00eaber Apo weke azadiya civaka Kurd dib\u00eenin.\u201d BI CEM\u00ceL BAYIK RE ROPORTAJ Di be\u015fa daw\u00ee ya roportaja Rojnameya Yen\u00ee Ya\u015fam […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":12806,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[71],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-12805","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-nuce"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/freedomocalansyria.com\/ku\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12805","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/freedomocalansyria.com\/ku\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/freedomocalansyria.com\/ku\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/freedomocalansyria.com\/ku\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/freedomocalansyria.com\/ku\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=12805"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/freedomocalansyria.com\/ku\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12805\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":12807,"href":"https:\/\/freedomocalansyria.com\/ku\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12805\/revisions\/12807"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/freedomocalansyria.com\/ku\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/12806"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/freedomocalansyria.com\/ku\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=12805"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/freedomocalansyria.com\/ku\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=12805"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/freedomocalansyria.com\/ku\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=12805"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}